Trump And The Apostate Church: The Destruction Of A Testimony

Trump And The Apostate Church: The Destruction Of A Testimony Image

I know this post will generate a lot of mail that I don’t necessarily feel like dealing with.   But there are those moments that are so compelling to one’s heart that they must handle it.  So here is my raw moment of honesty…

I’m really struggling right now.  Not with politics.  Politics is as ugly as I always know it to be.  I’m used to that.  Not just used to it, hardened and callused to it.  I choose to fight in the arena, but I do so only because I’m passionate about my principles.  And my principles are defined by my faith.

But right now my heart is struggling with everything I’ve ever believed.  My struggle is with the church.  I’m watching the reaction to how leaders in The Church, many whom I’ve known my entire life, are destroying their testimonies by not only accepting this reprobate- but are blasphemously using God’s Word to defend him!

I was floored and appalled when I read a comment on my Facebook page by a missionary this morning who our family has financially supported to “stop bitching” about Trump.  I was emailed by a “Christian woman” yesterday who told me that I should “feel flattered if a man talked to me that way.”  I get refusals from Christian fathers to respond when I ask if they were willing to sacrifice the “crotches of their daughters” to save the country from Hillary.  They respond with venomous attacks because their answer will either make them look like a hypocrite or a reprobate.  Another woman who was the wife of a former pastor told me in regards to the same question, “As far as my daughters and grand-daughters are concerned, I trust them to God’s care.”  Maybe the victim’s fathers simply didn’t trust them into God’s care quite enough and Trump really isn’t responsible for any of it?

I sat in church yesterday morning and I just felt grieved.  It was hard for me to participate.  In fact, I left early.  The amount of “church people” who are dismissing this entire debacle as acceptable and normal, and attacking the voices who are saying, “no, this isn’t who we are!!!” makes me question everything.  Do I even want to leave my little girl in the nursery with groups of people who feel it’s morally acceptable to defend this all for the sake of their party?  The amount of church leaders who work in the youth groups who aren’t fighting this on a spiritual front and remaining silent leaves me wondering why bother?  Where are the courageous men who are standing up and leading our boys towards Christ and demanding that they not become a part of the group who gives it up to go along?  These are the men and women I entrust influencing the spiritual lives of my family… where is the righteous outrage?  Where is the accountability as a body towards one another?

And for those of you who are wondering, I can assure you, my church is probably symptomatic of your church.  The Church as a whole is destroying their testimony, their integrity, by their silence or outright acceptance.

I know we don’t look to man.  Man will fail us.  But man makes up the fellowship and part of it is becoming rotten. 

Men and women who I trust to pour God’s Word into the heart of my children or care and nurture them in the nurseries of the churches, instead pours fuel on the cultural wars they declare to fight by declaring their unwavering support for a deviant because of…. politics?  All the while declaring with a Bible in one hand and a shaking fist, that “we must trust God!”  Apparently, we can only trust Him so far— we have to throw our testimonies under the bus to avoid Hillary Clinton – because He definitely can’t be trusted with that one.

There are two groups of people with whom I speak.

The first being the vocal Trump supporter who sacrilegiously declares that Trump is God’s appointed leader for this time.  Those may be admired in their tiny echo chambers of mindless idiots.  Outside of their tiny core, they’ve already lost all credibility.  They will never again change hearts and minds and influence newcomers to their party and certainly not to their Bible Studies.

The second group is the formerly vocal political Christians who have suddenly gone dark and silent.  You have no comments.  You state piously on social media that “this has just become too ugly.”   These are the cowards.  You disappear when it actually matters—when the world is watching to see how we react to this as Christians.

This is the group who remains vocal on their principles when they have an audience who agrees with them.  But they aren’t vocal on their principles when it might require a confrontation.  These types of people are even more guilty of destroying their Christian testimonies because they clearly have the sense to know what’s wrong….but they don’t have the courage to stand up for what’s right.  Suddenly, their statuses have a few Scripture verses that “might allude” to what’s going on… but they don’t dare translate that into every day current events and accountability towards their Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

Look, as I’ve stated so many times.  I’m not looking for a perfect president.  I’ve never found a Republican candidate that I couldn’t support over the Democrat alternative.  But I need to find one with whom I can find some sort of moral commonality.

So many times I have wanted to walk away from all of this.  This election has broken me in so many ways.  It has delivered me into some of my darkest moments- sometimes on a national stage that has left me wondering if I’ve done the right thing and if any of it is worth it.

It has left me with deep conversations with people in my life that I profoundly admire and respect.  And they have reminded me that the church has made grave mistakes before.  The solution is not to abandon it but to speak out and reform it.

So, while I admit I’m struggling.  I remember that I stand shoulder to shoulder with good men who haven’t caved or been bought with massive donations.  Many who don’t have large audiences but their courageous stands cost them just as much.  Along with men like Russell Moore and Albert Mohler, who have identified this as the cancer that it is.  New voices, like Wayne Grudem, who are waking up and issuing giant apologies to the church and to the nation for being so blinded.

The world is watching how the Christian community responds to this.  And the church will own a lion’s share of the responsibility for the judgement that God brings on our country during a Hillary presidency.

I pray He is merciful because we certainly do not deserve it.

About The Author: Brittany Pounders is a conservative political commentator, blogger, and freelancer. She is a frequent guest columnist for The Toronto Sun, and can be heard through many different radio and media outlets such as The Blaze Radio Network, The Chris Salcedo Show, The Ed Dean Radio Show, has appeared on The Glenn Beck Show and regularly on cable news channels, including NewsmaxTv, One America News Network, America Trends, and the Fox News with Neil Cavuto. She resides in Texas with her husband and is raising three of the finest little people in the world. Follow her on… Facebook or @LibertyBritt

  • CJ

    Thank you for bravely going against the tide, Brittany. There are many of us out here who stand with you and will be casting our votes for another, honorable, choice. I believe this a consequence of so many decades of a nation turning its back on God.

  • Phil Plaza

    So, this is my take on the whole thing. We as Christians do have a responsibility to vote our conscience. Since voting is not a matter of God’s ordained directives then we have to go with our own conscience or be condemned by it (Not in an eternal sense just in the action we take. Situational condemnation if you will.) As in the sense of things we do have liberty to do in our Christian walk. All Christians have the bible to help with our choices during election time. So, when it comes down to it we have our different discernment about each candidate. One person is seriously convinced to vote for this person is the best course of action for our country, another believes this candidate is best for the future of our religious freedoms. Another believe that we ought not worry so much about our religious freedoms but being a more responsible country fiscally and to protect all of our constitutional rights because if we just push our agenda do we ignore the rights of others. So, we end up with different choices. There are many choices for President. More than just two. I believe the best take on this is to support one another to vote our conscience individually. I believe when we do that we are united in our faith because we do not want a brother or sister to feel condemned by their own actions because we brow beat them to vote this way or that. No matter who they vote for. Do I believe that there is some pretty whacked reasoning or justifying voting certain candidates? Sure I do. If I know that person I may ask how they came to that conclusion in an iron sharpening iron sense. I also know that there some that are entrenched in their position and will not budge and most likely that is because of party loyalty and platform loyalty. I think that is a huge mistake. I want to encourage all my brothers and sisters to seek God, His Word and pray with discernment as to who the Lord would have you specifically vote for. So, when I say vote our conscience my hope is that we are in prayer over this and having healthy discussions about it. I believe there are situations all over the spectrum in this race in the context of what one Christian sees as their best choice versus another’s choice and we need to have discussions with one another where we need to, or the Lord may be prompting us to, but that we need to trust God with one another and one another’s choice. We who have put our faith in Christ as our Savior have the same God that we serve. And if we have made the wrong choice He will tell us. He disciplines those He loves. If we have wronged a brother or sister by condemning them for their choice as president He will bring us to repentance. Either way He is our Father. He will convict our hearts of our own personal sin and bring us to repentance. The scripture I turn to as a matter of conscience does not deal with this specifically, so maybe a little out of context but gives an idea how to deal with personal choices that we believe we are honoring God in. That is – As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore, let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died. So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding. Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats. It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble. The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin. – (Rom 14:1-23)

    As far as where we are as the Church engaging one another the way we have during this election season. We all need to be forgiving one another and remember that this whole thing is a huge distraction to our commission. We cannot force morality upon this nation. That was not the commission. The commission has everything to do about sharing the Lord with others outside of the four walls of the church. We should go to church and learn and study and fellowship singing songs and spiritual psalms and breaking bread with one another. But, not to simply do those things to edify one another. But, edification for a purpose and that purpose is to go back out into the world and sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a dead and dying world. W e talk and complain about our religious freedoms diminishing when we don’t even exercise them how the Lord would have us. We can meet and pray anywhere. We can pray with someone at anytime. We can talk to people about Christ whenever we have the opportunity. And we do not exercise that like we ought to. When there are countries that have to hide in secret to have church or have a bible. Instead of seizing opportunities to love and feed the homeless we tell them to just get a job. I believe what is wrong in the American Church has not one thing to do with elections and who our new leaders will be in November. I believe it has everything to do with how we have turned our Christian experience to what happens on Sundays and Wednesdays and the occasional bible study and prayer meeting. The lost don’t just stumble in all to often. We got to get out of the boat and cast some nets. Love people wherever we are. Share the Love of the Gospel through our daily actions and when that doesn’t work open our mouths and share the Gospel with whoever will listen. We have lost the perspective of the new believer that just found Christ. That just received salvation and now has an eternal hope and wants all their friends to know that there is a Savior and hell is real. There are eternal consequences for all those who do not receive Christ and we have not made that as important as it should be. Instead we complain about our religious freedoms going away. Why should anyone care when we do not care enough to share the Gospel as our Lord told us to.

    I believe when we repent as a church as a whole and pray for revival starting with our own personal revival then we will see amazing things because that will mean that we will have a change of heart to those things that we have become hardened to. I believe something I read in Isaiah 58 give a real clear answer to what we need to do… Take a look – “Cry aloud; do not hold back; lift up your voice like a trumpet; declare to my people their transgression, to the house of Jacob their sins. Yet they seek me daily and delight to know my ways, as if they were a nation that did righteousness and did not forsake the judgment of their God; they ask of me righteous judgments; they delight to draw near to God. ‘Why have we fasted, and you see it not? Why have we humbled ourselves, and you take no knowledge of it?’ Behold, in the day of your fast you seek your own pleasure, and oppress all your workers. Behold, you fast only to quarrel and to fight and to hit with a wicked fist. Fasting like yours this day will not make your voice to be heard on high. Is such the fast that I choose, a day for a person to humble himself? Is it to bow down his head like a reed, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? Will you call this a fast, and a day acceptable to the LORD? “Is not this the fast that I choose: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the straps of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke? Is it not to share your bread with the hungry and bring the homeless poor into your house; when you see the naked, to cover him, and not to hide yourself from your own flesh? Then shall your light break forth like the dawn, and your healing shall spring up speedily; your righteousness shall go before you; the glory of the LORD shall be your rear guard. Then you shall call, and the LORD will answer; you shall cry, and he will say, ‘Here I am.’ If you take away the yoke from your midst, the pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness, if you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday. And the LORD will guide you continually and satisfy your desire in scorched places and make your bones strong; and you shall be like a watered garden, like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And your ancient ruins shall be rebuilt; you shall raise up the foundations of many generations; you shall be called the repairer of the breach, the restorer of streets to dwell in. “If you turn back your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on my holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight and the holy day of the LORD honorable; if you honor it, not going your own ways, or seeking your own pleasure, or talking idly; then you shall take delight in the LORD, and I will make you ride on the heights of the earth; I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father, for the mouth of the LORD has spoken.” (Isa 58:1-14)

    Lord bless and I hope that helps

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  • Barbara Faulkner

    Okay to those here who are saying that we must save America and vote for Trump…. here is my question:
    On what do you place such allegiance to Trump. Now comes the hard part. You cannot use rhetoric. You cannot use Hillary’s name as that does NOT tell us who Trump is nor what Trump will do…… so again on what basis is your decision to vote for this man. I on the other hand can pour out so much about his life, his business practices, his record that shows that he will NOT save America and I will be happy to list them. Remember no rhetoric. Now produce the list!

  • JudyPaulette

    Sometimes we need to be broken to be healed. Our country has been headed toward brokenness for decades. I fear we have a lot more days/weeks/months and maybe years to go through the cycle of brokenness until those who profess to follow the teachings of Christ wake up, repent and then receive the healing that only he can do. I pray it will happen to our nation, but since we were grafted in it may just be a remnant. Please, God, do not be silent with us for 400 years because those in our country, in our churches and synagogues chose someone other than You.

  • Cris Jones

    Be encouraged that just because a group of people attend a church building on Sunday morning, it does not prove that they are “The Church”. (1John 2:4)

  • kmiller

    Brittany, I know exactly how you feel because I felt the same way right before George W, Bush was elected into his second term. I watched as he and his father were responsible for the sheer butchery and slaughter of so many innocent lives, not to mention our soldiers. I was so disgusted. I would drive into the church parking lot and all of the cars had Bush bumper stickers. Christians were constantly talking about Bush and defending him saying he was a Christian. I made my choice not to go to the polls that year. I stayed home because I could not vote for such an evil man. I don’t know what I will do this year. I am still praying for God to show me if voting for conservative ideals and the supreme court judge situation is enough to justify voting for Trump. I think God will let me know what I need to do.

  • Fred

    So as a Chrst follower what do you suggest I do on November 8? For now my plan is to vote for Trump? Why? His answer to what he will do with SCOTUS. His test will be that they uphold our constitution. Hillary’s litmus test is that they protect abortion and gay marriage. Satan has the squeeze on us. Tell me the liberal left is satisfied with their victories. They won’t stop until we all agree that abortion and all human debasement is good. The hypocrisy of the Church pales in comparison to the feigned abhorrence the left professes over The Donald.

  • Susan M. VerHalen

    I agree with you, Brittany and have been greatly troubled by this election season as well. I have refused to cave to the pressure to support a candidate (either of them, actually) who doesn’t represent my values and principles, and I have spoken up about what I see is clearly wrong in this election cycle. I am trusting the Lord, and will do what I think is right, regardless of what the rest choose to do. There are many Christian leaders I have admired and respected, who have allowed themselves to be blinded or persuaded, or simply bribed into supporting Trump, and I have been so disappointed in them. It has made me lose respect for them, and I can not continue to trust their judgment. But perhaps that is good, because now I will keep my focus on the Lord alone, and His Word for guidance instead of the opinions of even godly men.

  • Jeff

    You religious nuts are crazy people. The world would be much better off without you.

  • Cindy Redburn

    I used the word, heartsick in a post yesterday to describe my emotions as I read comments by people and pastors who should know better defending behavior that should never be acceptable under any circumstances!

    But, I want to take this to another level, especially concerning pastors.

    You may or may not be aware that there is a God-fearing, moral man running for president, Darrell Castle, on the Constitution Party ballot. A man, who any Christian should proudly support and with the support of Christian leaders, could have a huge impact on our society and politics. Yet, silence, deadly silence! Why?

    Fear! Christians fear Hillary, more than they fear God! Influential leaders, such as Franklin and Dobson have told millions that it is okay to vote for Trump, because he will listen to Christians, instead of leading them to Castle, who is a Christian, who honors God with his life.

    You stated that the world is watching! I am watching and awaiting a response from my email to Wayne Grudem, who as you mentioned apologized for his support of Trump, waiting to see if he will endorse Darrell Castle as I asked him to do.

    Instead of arguing and quarreling over two unfit candidates to lead our nation, please take the time to investigate Darrell Castle. http://www.castle2016.com

  • Jeffrey Bennett

    As a Christian I do want to do the right thing, and am praying and researching (as a lot of you are) what that right thing is. I want to do the right thing as I vote and I’ve read a few articles of Ms. Pounders articles, reader comments, and have also sought wisdom from other Christians while searching for the answers. Ms. Pounders has expressed our dilemma well and has solid biblical points. However, I see that she is also seeking answers and not offering a solution other than saying Christians should vote, but not for Trump (possibly not to vote for Hillary is inferred). Advice so far: “Christians should vote” and “Christians must not vote for trump”.
    Here’s where I’m struggling: The election processes gives us two choices one of whom is almost guaranteed to win (republican or democrat) and some other less likely to win options, and an opportunity to write in a candidate. So, in all sincerity and as a seeking Christian, I’d like to hear what are some of my Christian brothers and sisters recommending as a solution during an election just a few weeks away? I would like to have a name of a worthy candidate. To me, complaining about the choices and not having a plan or a solution is not a very responsible option. So, who is the recommended worthy candidate willing to run for president that we can get behind?

    • akitty77

      Don’t feel obligated to vote for the Presidential race if you don’t find someone you can support 100%. It would be better to not vote at all then to vote for evil. If you feel you must vote for that race, have you considered Darrell Castle from the Constitution Party? He’s the only candidate I know of that is 100% pro-life for that race. Also don’t forget the importance of all other races, especially local.

  • MAS

    The Church is fine and if you look hard enough (through the lens of scripture) the charlatans and simply confused among us become very apparent. The church you are watching needs to return to her first love…Jesus the Christ, not polititians…before she becomes Laodicea.

    “So remember what you have received and heard; and keep it, and repent. Therefore if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come to you.” Rev 3:3

  • islandgal

    Listening to some of you hypocrites who are excusing Trump make me extremely glad that I left the Christian faith. It exposes the hypocrisy practiced by many Christians. Many here will create any excuse to support Trump and close your eyes to his deeds. Trump will bring chaos to America, he is vulgar, he is a liar, he is corrupt, he is a three time adulterer and extremely dishonest. He is the biggest Con man America has ever seen.
    When religious people want to regain control of a country it says that they wish to impose their belief and will upon the population. Your faith should be private and not be a public spectacle. The evangelicals are the new Christian Taliban seeking power to indoctrinate and rule.
    Many of you have a dislike for Hillary, however she will bring stability to the Republic. She will make changes good ones, she is willing to listen however change will not come overnight because she alone cannot make it happen. Working together in Congress will allow change to take place. Trump has no clue about running a country, has no idea on foreign policy, has very limited intelligence, he boasts of being a successful businessman but can’t show anything on paper that this is true. He refuses to show his taxes and you all gullibly accept his excuses.
    You all blame Hillary for her husband’s infidelity but don’t give her credit for holding on to her marriage. Yes the world will be watching the American Church and seeing the hypocrisy they practice called religion. Take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself if you prefer to put a dangerous man who is mentally unstable to run your country than an intelligent qualified woman who is willing to fight for you.

    • akitty77

      I’m sorry to hear that you have chosen to turn your back on Christ despite the way his followers have acted or treated you. I’ve been pretty beat up by church people but I still love the Lord and want to serve him.

      I can’t in good conscious support either candidate. Neither support the Constitution. Hillary is blatantly pro-abortion and has stated she would work to take guns away from law abiding cititzens. As Secretary of State her actions were deplorable and illegal. She really should be in prison for what she’s done.

    • Cynthia Hardy Studer

      I do not give Trump a pass. I think what he said was gross and wrong. Is it criminal? No. Is it sinful? Yes. Is Hillary truly better? She’s just as lost as he is.L Let’s talk about hypocrisy. How is the democrat party not a bunch of hypocrites? How is the media? They denounce Trump, yet by their own standard of measurement Bill Clinton, a rapist, is ok? That’s hypocritical. Then Hillary attacking his victims with the help of the media and the democrat party, when I thought we were supposed to believe the victims of rape. Oh wait, only when they weren’t raped by a democrat. Gotta use it for political advantage you know! I’m not so sure electing another career politician will solve all the problems this country has. Let’s face it Hillary has spent 45 years grooming herself to get elected. She is not responsible for her husband’s affairs or his alleged rapes. He is guilty of that and will be held responsible one day for it. But she with the help of the media and the rest of the Democrat party went after his accusers and victimized them further for HER POLITICAL GAIN. She didn’t hold onto her marriage because she loves her husband, she held on to it because they both know that if they don’t then one of them might start talking about all their illegal activities. Her whole goal in life was to become president, not so she could make good decisions but so that she could rule over all of us and tell us what to do. At least I know that my vote for Trump is what it is. I have no grand delusions about him, I know he isn’t perfect and will make mistakes, but I’m willing to take the chance that he won’t be a messed up criminal like Hillary Clinton has always been.

  • http://thebibleandthenews.com gaboora

    Yeah, yeah, you were struggling and crying and not sleeping, even while you were calling those who disagree with you idiots. You’re an idiot, you liar.

  • mjschumaker

    There is no doubt in my mind, heart and spirit that God is sifting his people. Major sifting perhaps unlike anything before. The sheep have to be separated from the goats. We are being asked whom do we serve? As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Not a religion, not a church, not a denomination, not a pastor or preacher but the Living Word of God, Jesus Christ, who is risen from the dead. As he said, my sheep will know my voice.

  • Marlies Robison

    I have been with you on much of this and I have wonderful news for you! There is an amazing conservative candidate in this election who is highly qualified and is ready to serve the people! In fact giving us a vote we can be proud of is one of the main reasons he is running! If you haven’t heard about him go check him out. His name is Evan McMullin and you can learn about him at Evanmcmullin.com our find him on Facebook as well. As you said no candidate is perfect, but I believe he will serve with many prayers for God’s help to lead this country where God wants it to go! God bless!

    • Cynthia Hardy Studer

      And he will not win. Sadly. But then again, we are not a Christian nation. You want a Christian nation? Go evangelize your neighbors and stop the ridiculous mission trips to Haiti and Africa where all we do is build orphanages and dig wells. We will not get a godly president until the people themselves are godly and will no longer stand for D.C. as it is. Until then it will always be the lesser of the two evils.

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  • Julie

    Have you heard of Evan McMullin? He’s an independent running for President on principles and he has a strategy to win by denying the other candidates the 270 electoral votes & sending the decision to the House of Representatives. I found hope and peace of conscience in supporting him.
    http://www.evanmcmullin.com

  • Alicia Clark

    There is a good Christian man running. His name is Darrell Castle, Constitution Party. Give him a look! http://www.castle2016.com I know you’ll like what you see.

  • Laura Halfpenny

    Trump apparently has become a ‘christian’. If this is true then it behooves us to hold his feet to the fire so to speak and see how true this is. I have stood against all this on both sides and it has caused so much grief it is sad.

    • akitty77

      A Christian is one who shows fruits of repentance. In Trump there is none. He still proudly displays his Playboy photo cover with a porn star in a picture frame in his home to this very day.

      • Laura Halfpenny

        from meeting with pastors in the past year Trump apparently did accept Jesus. Now obviously he doesn’t know the scriptures very well but we must give the benefit of the doubt here. I am amazed that one 11 year old tape that shows up is being used to destroy. Yet we have hillary and a whole government system in DC that has been corrupt and destructive and congress people the people voted in to change things only to find out most are corrupted and or don’t have the cajones to push back and do the right thing.
        In my opinion the people of America are at fault … just look at what is going on on many levels, the division etc.. when i look at trump i do have some skepticism however he loves this country and is the best choice seeing we really only have two choices.
        Romney lost because ‘christian’ voters did vote why? For the same reason they say they don’t want to vote today… i say look to the bigger picture and if one is truly a believer in Christ then you must know that prayer is a powerful weapon and with faith God can work in that and perhaps turn our country around.
        and help Trump become the follower of Christ he must become if this is real. just saying…

        • akitty77

          It wasn’t from meeting with pastors as you claim. It was Word of Faith false teacher who claimed to lead him to the Lord. I’m amazed at how people are excusing this tape to dismiss it as “locker room chat” when it was promoting sexual assault! WOW! He wasn’t some teenage kid when he said these awful things. He was a 60 year old man! If Trump loved this country he would be supporting the Constitution which he does not. Yes we are at fault. At fault for continue to choose evil. It’s not my responsibility to help Trump become a follower of Christ. It is my responsibility (and yours) to obey God’s Word and elect leaders who have morals and who will obey the Constitution as written.

  • DamageControl

    God doesn’t “bring judgement” ‘cept that final day of Jesus return.

  • OkieFarmGirl

    I really appreciate your words. It says everything I’ve known, instinctively, and everything that is breaking my heart. It is going to offend some people in the Church, but Peter and Paul offended a LOT of people in the early Church because Peter and Paul’s focus was on Christ, not on the political climate of the day. And think about it – THOSE people were being thrown to the lions, dragged out of their homes and imprisoned – even crucified. Yet, both Paul and Peter, were telling them to respect the authorities, to honor their government and to submit to those in power but to stand in holiness. Guess who was in power. NERO!!! And we think Hillary is bad?? Yet, we are to be holy because God is holy. That means that we do NOT align the Church with filth and sin.

    The thing that troubles me so much today is the fear that I am hearing from Christians. “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind!!” I Tim 1:7 Where is the confidence in God and His sovereignty? Where is the trust in His goodness? Where is the faith that can move mountains or the focus that leads to the ability to walk on water? Obviously, Christians don’t believe that those things are really possible. They make God, in His word, out to be a liar. When God sent Gideon out to fight the “Midianites and the Amalekites and all the sons of the east”, Gideon had 32,000 men. God whittled that down to 300!!! Three hundred men were to go out against all those enemy soldiers. Why? Because, as God said, “I will deliver you!” It was so that “they would know that I AM God!” We do not HAVE to vote for either of the reprobates because GOD is GOD!!! He can and will do whatever accomplishes HIS plans. We can just step back and trust. That is totally alien to our nature. But it is what moves mountains.

    Do Christians not realize that God will deliver us even under Hillary? Are they so focused on getting what they want because they are afraid of what they might get, so that they are willing to align with blatant sin in order to get what they think they have to have? “Why not say—…”Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is just!” Romans 3:8 No. God is greater than that. We don’t have to be afraid of Hillary Clinton because God is in control and He only allows her to do what HE allows her to do. This country is being disciplined and the Church within the country is REALLY being disciplined. We’re going to keep getting that discipline/punishment until we turn to God and say, “we can be content no matter what our situation because we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us.” Paraphrased from Philippians 4:12-13

  • Lisa Zirkle

    You are right, Brittany. The world is watching the church.
    And what they could well be seeing are some people who consider
    themselves the arbiters of who is acceptable and who is not and never
    mind forgiveness, never mind the redemptive power of the Lord in our
    lives let alone others. Donald Trump made statements
    11 years ago that are very offensive. There is no defending them.
    I’m not seeing that same person today.

    But even if he had made these statements two years ago,
    here’s how I look at the situation. If I were in a fight and being
    attacked, and someone came by to help me defend myself, I wouldn’t
    stop to say, “Wait. You can’t help me because you said something
    bad about women 11 years ago. No, I can’t accept your help,”
    because in self-righteousness I would be thinking, “You aren’t
    good enough to help me.”

    We are in a war, and we are being attacked, and it’s getting
    worse, and someone has offered to help defend us, and taken a beating
    while he’s been offering, and yet he’s kept at it. He has not ducked
    and run when the going got tough as so many others have. Frankly,
    I have never in my 57 years seen anyone in a political race be
    continually come after by the establishment and the press, and in a
    way that’s so disingenuous. The lying that has gone on about Donald
    Trump is stunning. Certainly, there is plenty he’s done on his own
    that is less than stellar. I don’t like that he cheated on his wife
    25 years ago or that he ran casinos. I don’t like those things.
    I also didn’t like that Ronald Reagan had been married twice or that
    he dabbled and maybe even more in astrology. The latter really
    bothered me. But I voted for him because his political ideology most
    closely matched mine. And that’s one of the reasons I’m voting
    for Donald Trump. His stance on certain issues more closely
    matches mine. If other candidates had remained in the race, I
    might not be saying this, but that’s not the case, so here I am
    supporting Donald Trump.

    And may I say that I have never been on the receiving end of so
    much ridicule and disparagement including from some Christians in regard to my
    support of Trump’s candidacy. It is incredible to me what Christians have been willing to
    do and say to me on this issue. I have never been called names or my character and intelligence impugned as it has been over the last several months. I guess I could
    be cowed by that, but I have to examine the words that are given and
    how, and it’s become clear they are done in fear and loathing, and that’s certainly not
    of the Lord. That means I can discount what has been said. It’s not
    wisdom.

    • JaxNole

      If you’re so big on forgiveness, forgive Hillary Clinton and vote for her. Your forgiveness lines I keep reading are all an empty copout because you can apply them just as easily to Clinton.

      You’re twisting the precept of forgiveness to vote for a contemptible person who claims to be a member of the political party of your choice.

      You’re exactly who the author is talking about.

      • Lisa Zirkle

        Why do you think I haven’t forgiven Hillary?

        • JaxNole

          I don’t see you defending Hillary Clinton’s perceived transgressions and saying we need to forgive her. Despite all the condemnation she’s received.

          If you can show me a history of posting for people to forgive Clinton as you’ve just pled with us to forgive Trump, then I’ll delete my comment.

          I have a feeling my comment will stay up.

          • Lisa Zirkle

            The subject here was Donald Trump and the Church, so that’s what I’m responding to. But to be clear, my question to you was rhetorical. I have felt no need to forgive Donald Trump nor Hillary Clinton because they have done nothing to me personally. Brittany on the other hand is highly offended by Trump, hence my comments about forgiveness. Nowhere in those comments about forgiveness do I say it should equal support.

            In fact, let’s talk about forgiveness and trusting someone to do something and how those are not bound up together. If I knew someone who was an alcoholic and who had issues with drinking and driving, and let’s say they did offend me. I could forgive them, but that doesn’t mean I think they should be hired as a professional driver.

            As to your comments, I think leaving up an entire conversation is best, because to remove a part of it is confusing to others who are reading. Of course that’s my opinion, and you should do what you think is best with your comments.

      • Cynthia Hardy Studer

        Um… you can forgive Hillary but you don’t have to vote for her. LOL

  • Cynthia Hardy Studer

    We live in a nation that is not Christian. Sure, a lot of people go around saying they are but they do not attend church except on holidays and don’t bother to pray unless they are in dire straits. Do I think Trump is the best man for the job, no. Do I have much of a choice? No. Oh I guess I could sit back and take the “moral high ground” and not vote or go third party, but then we would get Hillary Clinton for sure. While Trump is no prize, she is Baal. We are so worried about damaging our witness but the reality is God does work through bad leaders, his will is that Trump or Hillary will be the president because no 3rd party candidate will win. What His will is beyond that, I don’t know. But I can tell you taking the “moral and Christian way out” will just get you the worse end of the stick. In 4 years, Trump will be easier to get out. If he oversteps or does something wrong, he CAN be impeached and probably will. There is no love between him and Republican elite. Hillary Clinton will get whatever she wants from the Republicans, she will get to decide the supreme court, she will get to continue with Obama care and if the past behavior of the Republican elite is any indication of how her presidency will go, you can safely assume she will get a full 4 years and maybe even 8! And forget about a fair and unbiased media! So sitting back and claiming you are not sullying your witness and saying you are so much more morally superior to everyone else because you just won’t go there, won’t work. You either fight for what little good there is in a candidate or you can sit back and watch as what little good is left in our country is squashed because good people failed to do the right thing. The right thing isn’t always clear and sometimes it just seems our choices are horrible. The Bible is full of choices that had to be made, even if the will of God wasn’t discernible and the choice itself was detestable. I can tell you the Clintons are WORSE than Trump. And I’m not a huge Trump supporter, but I am a person who has given up on this idea the Christian church has propagated for decades that we live in a Christian nation. We do not. And we can not expect EVERY person to abide by and live by our values. We just can’t. If we want a Christian nation, we need to get our butts out of the pews, stop the missions work in Africa or Hati and start evangelizing our own neighbors. We have neglected our own towns for too long and it shows. The state of D.C. is our own fault, we let ourselves get lazy and complacent, so that we didn’t see the snakes slithering into our churches to seduce our friends and family away from God. Hillary Clinton wants to limit what we Christians can do, and that means we could lose some of our God given rights. Are we so upset with another persons sin that we will allow our own pride in ourselves and the salvation God has given us, that we will stick our noses in the air and refuse to sit with Trump? If we don’t support him, we will just end up sitting next to Hillary and Bill instead.

    • akitty77

      God’s will is clear in his word that we should not be supporting evil in any shape for or fashion and neither should we be living or doing anything out of fear. How about we obey Romans 13 and get back to electing only those candidates that will uphold the governing authority of our land called the Constitution? And no, Trump and Clinton aren’t interested in doing that.

      • Cynthia Hardy Studer

        Then I assume you will be out there evangelizing people to become Christians. We can take back what wasn’t ours to begin with unless we go about fulfilling the great commission by evangelizing. And really, we should realize our country was never a Christian nation in the first place. The founders used biblical principles but a lot of them didn’t live like Christians themselves.

  • islandgal

    You have to make a choice either you become one of them and sell your soul or walk away from them and keep your moral dignity. Nothing wrong in leaving and keeping your soul intact.

    • Cynthia Hardy Studer

      Yeah nothing better than riding off on your moral high horse while everything around you burns. When now your kids won’t even get a chance to evangelize because their dear leaders that you allowed to get into office have taken away those religious rights. But no, you will feel so superior when you will still have your moral high horse to beat, even after it’s dead. Sometimes the things we allow to happen say more about us then the things we give lip service to.

      • islandgal

        No one wants to take your religious rights away, however I don’t want you preaching to me about your God.

        • Cynthia Hardy Studer

          When the politicians start saying my religious speech or beliefs are hateful, then that takes away my rights. When they deny me the same rights they would give you to say as you wish then they are denying me mine. If I can not practice my beliefs in a non-harmful way because they say they discriminate or are “hateful” then they are denying me my right. If we live in a country that allows you to believe and say what you want then it is supposed to apply equally to all. I will respect your right to your beliefs but please do not assume I should put mine in my bedside table and lock the door because you don’t want to hear it. Many times people say things I don’t want to hear, but I do not have the right to demand they shut up to suit my tastes.

  • truethevote

    Thank you, Brittany. You have communicated all that I have struggled with as well.

  • Bobby O’Dell

    Are you a Calvinist, Brittany Pounders? You sure throw that word REPROBATE around like it’s nothing.

    • truethevote

      If the shoe fits! Being PC now, are we?

  • akitty77

    When we choose evil to rule over us, we most certainly do deserve it.

  • allamer

    Brittany, if I read you correctly, you have decided that God has not forgiven Trump’s crude remarks said in private from 11 years ago. Have you sinned in the last 11 years? If you think Trump’s bad language makes him eternally evil….then what about Hillary’s sins and her treason and lies? Let God deal with the sins and let the voters save the country.

    • Bobby O’Dell

      Bingo Allamer. Pounders need to read her bible and stop being a pharisee.

      • truethevote

        Seems to me the trumpers are the Pharisees. Remember, they WANTED Barabas over Christ.

        • Cynthia Hardy Studer

          So Hillary is Jesus now? LOL Sorry, but we don’t have Jesus running for President. We have as usual two complete sinners. I’m ok with that. If Jesus were running I would vote for him, but since he’s not and these are the two that God has GIVEN us, because this is His will, I will just have to choose between them. I’m not such a wonderful, sinless person that I can toss that first stone.

    • Cynthia Hardy Studer

      Yes. This is it. We should let God deal with the sins and we should do our job and vote. God has GIVEN us 2 choices who have the opportunity to win the presidency. No 3rd party is going to do it so stop being delusional, people! He said NO to our first choice and NO to our second and gave us these two people. We have no business assuming we are living in a Christian nation that has just gone astray when we the church have ignored our communities in favor of building orphanages in Hati and digging wells in Africa. We have neglected the great commission in favor of humanitarian outreach. We have allowed snakes to slither into our communities while we dance around on Sunday morning and sway to our worship music in adoration of what? Our own self-righteous belief that we are favored by God. God will use whoever is in the White House, but let’s not just sit on our hands and complain that we just won’t vote because we will sully our witness we already have with our inaction and self gratification on Sunday mornings! You will be no better than the media that ignores the Clinton’s sins over the sins of another.

      • JaxNole

        This is possibly the worst thing I’ve ever read in my life from a Christian.

        “If a brother is in need of daily food and you say ‘Go in peace, be warm and filled’ and yet do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? Even so, faith if it has no works, is dead.” – James 2:15-17

        • Cynthia Hardy Studer

          So I’m a horrible person because I choose to let God judge Trump’s sins? If Trump is not a Christian than I have no business judging him, but I have every right to question anyone’s intentions, which I do. I question all Christians who complain about abortion or complain about an ungodly leader. What have we done as a church but ignore our own? We reap weeds because we do not bother to sow good seed. If we want a godly leader then we as the church must stop ignoring our communities and evangelize those around us, those people after all do vote. If we want to stop abortion we must evangelize those around us because they are the ones buying into the lies of the left that abortion is the only answer. It all leads back to a bunch of lazy church goers who spout off Bible verses but refuse to see their part in the catastrophe we call America. So you think I’m horrible. Well I’m sorry you feel that way. I think it’s horrible what we Christians are doing to our own country as we sit in our comfy pews, sip our coffee and listen to our self-help sermons while congratulating ourselves on not being like “those other” people.

          • JaxNole

            No, your comment is horrible because you condemned Christians building orphanages.

            “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after ORPHANS and widows in their distress” -James 1:27

            What has made your Christianity so… anti-Christian that you’re condemning Christians following a direct command from scripture?

            I have no doubt you’re about to defend yourself saying negative words about building orphanages.

            Please save it.

            I never say this but in this case it’s appropriate: The only move is to say you’re wrong if you want any credibility.

          • Cynthia Hardy Studer

            Lol. Touchy aren’t we? While building orphanages isn’t a bad thing it’s not what we are called to do. Most missions revolve around just building things but we neglect the sharing of the gospel because it’s messy, it’s hard to do and Franky our church leaders are failing to teach the members how to do it. So while you condemn me for printing out where the church is failing in its calling I will just say this: we either make people comfortable on their way to hell or we do our real jobs and spread the gospel and we be a part of God’s true plan for mankind.

          • JaxNole

            Well, you did say Christians aren’t called to care for orphans so my desire to pour a cup of cold water over your head is probably somewhat justified. James 1:27 begs to differ with your assertion. Jesus’s Parable of the Sheep and the Goats begs to differ as well.

            You say The Church’s problem is that we build orphanages, raise children who would otherwise be destitute, while sharing the love **and the Gospel** of Christ. And that we should let these orphans die (and presumably go to hell because they wouldn’t be raised in a Christian orphanage), and **in place of** (not in addition to, **in place of**) of saving these orphans’ lives and souls, canvas people who have already heard of Christ, can buy a Bible or go to any corner church they choose, and are already free to make their choice to follow him.

            I have no problem with you sharing the Gospel with those around you, but to say orphanages are the problem… that’s anti-Christ.

            You seem more worried about evangelizing to increase your worldly political power than actually helping souls find Christ.

            “My kingdom is not of this world” -Jesus

          • Cynthia Hardy Studer

            OK so this will be my last attempt to get my point across after this then we will have to just disagree and move on. This blog post was about Christians feeling grieved about their choices for president. My point is that if we did our job we would have more Christians who would then in turn vote for Christian candidates and who would not put up with the same old same old candidates. Let’s just say it’s an added benefit to evangelism, our country will benefit. But I see many churches jot doing anything in their local communities with the excuse that we are a Christian nation, we don’t need to. So they push work related missions over evangelical. My own in laws spend quite a lot of time on such missions and will tell you they were shocked at how unprepared most church volunteers are when they get to the missions field and spend a week or two working. That’s not a bad thing but it’s not the fulfillment of the great commission, so let’s not pretend it is, which is what some pastors or even Christians would have everyone believe it is. Now full time missionaries are a different matter and I don’t include them in that group. But the American church goer needs to either stop complaining about why we have no Christian leaders or ask themselves why we have no Christian leaders. It all starts and stops with us.

          • Elizabeth Van Horn

            This is your big mistake, where you wrote:

            “You want immorality to stop? Make them Christians…”

            Morality has nothing to do with religion. That’s why so many people who claim they are “Christian”, are now supporting an amoral person for president. (this goes for both Hillary and Trump supporters). It’s the reason why Brittany Pounders, who wrote this blog post, is so confused. Brittany is struggling to understand how “Christians”, can act and think, with such immorality and hate. She mistakenly thought that Christianity and religion meant being moral and good.

            Being a moral and good person has nothing to do with religion. That often comes as a surprise to those who didn’t know this truth.

          • Cynthia Hardy Studer

            No our mistake is assuming that because someone calls them self a Christian and even goes to church really is a Christian. I’ve known pastors who are about as moral as Trump. We are told in the Bible that we will know them by their fruit. Fakes have bad fruit.

          • Elizabeth Van Horn

            Immoral people can be as much a Christian as a moral person. The criteria for being a Christian is to believe in Jesus Christ as savior. There’s no directive that one must live a good and moral life. If you believe and have “faith”, that is the only criteria for being a Christian. (this is part of why the blog writer here is confused, she is mixing up the criteria for being Christian, with what she’d *like* for it to be, not what it is)

            “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” (Romans 10:13)

            “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost” (Acts 2:38)
            —————————————————————————

            So, not only is it not required *to be* moral to be a Christian, but one can *be moral*, and have no religious beliefs. I know, because I’m an atheist. : )

    • Susan M. VerHalen

      God only forgives those who are truly repentant for what they know is wrong, and who have made an authentic confession, and asked for forgiveness. Trump has not done that, and claims he doesn’t need to.

      • Cynthia Hardy Studer

        Do you know that for a fact? We can only be assured of our own salvation, because it’s between us and God. And we should know that we are still fighting our flesh for dominance over our lives. I will not try fooling myself that we will get a godly leader just because we want one, or we ask for one. If I remember correctly, the Pharaoh had to do a lot in order for the people to groan an awful lot before God finally freed them.

    • JaxNole

      Then God’s forgiven Hillary Clinton too. Is that what you’re saying? Or does this forgiveness only apply to Republicans?

      • Cynthia Hardy Studer

        Forgiveness applies to anyone who asked God for it and has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Do these people fail even as Christians, yes. That’s when we as Christians are supposed to help them learn from their mistakes, help lift them out of that pit. But then again I’m not delusional enough to think we will get a godly leader. It’s not going to happen with the current state of the church or our country.

  • Lori

    http://www.ldsliving.com/CNN-When-Did-Mormons-Become-Stronger-in-the-Teachings-of-Christ-Than-Christian-Leaders/s/83418?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=social_button
    For all of those that refused to vote for Mitt Romney bc he was a Mormon but wholeheartedly support someone like DT… Character matters! You judge a tree by their fruit. Read your bible and remember what Christ said about false prophets. Wake up Christian world! You’ve been fighting the wrong people!

    • Mr. Common Sense

      I couldn’t vote for someone who wears “magical underpants”.. Sorry…

      • Lori

        That’s an extremely disrespectful way to refer to our priesthood garments. They are no different than the robes a priest wears except we place them under our clothes d/t their sacred nature. They aren’t “magical” but we do believe they help protect us from sin since they serve as a constant reminder of our covenants with God. I wonder if you are voting for Trump?

        • Mr. Common Sense

          Google Search “Magic Underwear” and what comes up? You can blame Google for that! One of the reasons most Christians felt uneasy about electing Romney was because they felt your religion is a Cult..
          You can wonder all you want, I don’t say who I’m voting for.

          • Lori

            That’s fine. I’ve read your other comments and can see by your interactions that you are clearly not a Christian. More of a troll. My comments were directed towards Christians so what you think is a non issue.

          • Mr. Common Sense

            You are right , I’m a troll because I disagree with you and your cult-like religion.

          • Lori

            24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
            25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
            26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

            God bless you!

    • Cynthia Hardy Studer

      Mormonism isn’t Christian. End of Story.

      • Lori

        Wrong. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is a Christian Church. We believe Christ is the Savior and that he took our sins upon himself for an atonement.

  • Bobby O’Dell

    Pay no mind to this woman! She is offended by Trump and is acting in bitterness. Offense is the bait of satan. I bet she voted for that idolatrous Mormon Romney.

    • Jim Kotthoff

      maybe she is “offended” by both Trump & Clinton. Funny I find her words ring true while yours ring false.

      • Bobby O’Dell

        Yet you have no scripture to back it up. That ringing you hear is deception.

    • truethevote

      Wow, if offense is the bait of Satan, trump must be a VERY close relative!

    • Cynthia Hardy Studer

      Well I see that she is affiliated with the Blaze Network, Glenn Beck’s organization. He’s a Mormon, they are not Christians and I’m sure she has no problem with that!

  • Bobby O’Dell

    How do you know Trump is a reprobate?

    • Jim Kotthoff

      How about by his words and his actions.

      • Bobby O’Dell

        A reprobate refuses to acknowledge God. Trump has confessed Christ on several occasion. You are judging by what he has said and done BEFORE he came to Christ. Read your bible, Kotthoff, Get educated.

        • Nearly Over

          Trump has not confessed that he has become a follower of Jesus Christ. If he has please post up the video.

        • truethevote

          Even Satan knows God and can quote scripture perfectly. That doesn’t make him a Christian.

  • Kc

    Jesus instructed his followers to be “no part of this world.” That especially includes the political affairs of this world.

    • allamer

      Kc, our lives ARE IN this world. We have to do good IN THIS WORLD. As citizens, we have the responsibility to properly care about our society in the interest of ourselves and those who follow us.

      • Kc

        It may be tuff, difficult, hard but as true Christians, we should follow Jesus’ words. He promised he would send a “Helper” when we need it. Oftentimes that means not fitting in, being objects of ridicule for your beliefs, and enduring bad laws no matter what country you may find yourself in.
        As these difficult times continue to deteriorate, it will become much, much harder to be a true Christians. But, this will also be a time to be able to clearly see one who just professes to be a Christian and one who follows Jesus’ words and action. As in Jesus parable, to be able to “discern the Weeds from the Wheat.”

        • Jed Mask

          The “Help” brother Kc is the HOLY GHOST the “Holy Spirit” of Jesus Christ. EVERY BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN has the “Helper” by default to help us and guide us through life. Amen.

          • Kc

            John 14:25 I have spoken these things to you while I am still with you. 26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.+ 27 I leave you peace; I give you my peace.+ I do not give it to you the way that the world gives it. Do not let your hearts be troubled nor let them shrink out of fear. 28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.

          • Jed Mask

            KJV John 14:25-28,

            25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

            26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

            27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

            28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
            _____________

            Yes, these are the Words Lord Jesus told His disciples at the time He was still living amongst them on the earth brother KC. After Jesus Christ was crucified on the Cross, buried and rose again and later on ascended into Heaven THAT’S WHEN the Holy Ghost was freely given to all those people who believed on Him since after the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Early Church on the day of Pentecost when Peter and all the disciples were gathered together in KJV Acts 2:1-4.

            KJV Acts 2:1-4,

            1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

            2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

            3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

            4. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
            ________

            Amen.

            ~ Bro. Jed

          • Kc

            Jed,
            thanks for your post. I wanted to clarify something you said in your last post. I included the scripture at John 14:25-28 regarding the “helper”. Notice Jesus request his Father to send to Christians. And in verse 28, he clearly says that the Father is greater than he is. So, the Holy Spirit, belongs to the Father and is supplied to all Christian, in the name of Jesus. These are not three equal persons. The Father is greater than the son.

  • Cedric Fisher

    Thank you for this article. I’ve been pounding away on TruthKeepers since before Trump was considered a viable candidate, warning professing Christians. The feedback on my articles was very negative and sometimes hateful. I did not know of anyone else that was exposing the trap professing Christians were racing into. This is the first article I’ve read that clearly lays out the conundrum.

    However, people do not believe that they have any option but to vote for Trump. Actually, they made the choice long ago when there were 16 other options. The only hope we have now is for sincere Christians to unite and pray. Like Jeremiah, we must also repent for our apathy, complacency, and repent for the sins of this nation.

    Christianity is infested with apostasy. In nearly 4 decades of ministry, I have never come this close to believing that America was beyond restoring. We need to be courageous enough to face the possibility that we are in the last days.

    • allamer

      Our nation will be in its last days if the voters don’t protect our Constitution. Freedom of religion is under attack by the Progressives.

      • Cedric Fisher

        Hmm…but why are we in this predicament? Consider that no matter if Trump wins, there is no guarantee that he will not further the degradation of our democratic society. Christians are not guaranteed a reprieve from the present liberal aggression. He is not going to change the mind and actions of black racists, or reduce the hedonism and licentiousness in society. Even if he provides us a reprieve from the progressive’s agenda, we will remain ONE election away from their total dominance. We are at this point in history because of rampant and ubiquitous apostasy in Christianity, and subsequent moral degradation in secular society. No man, regardless of his abilities or even his godliness, can change that. It can only change by wholesale repentance by professing Christians. We have nearly lost it all because of nominalism and weakness. We can only retrieve it by passionate love for God and Christ, and a return to the integrity of lives committed to the values provided in God’s word. It is not a political solution, but the only viable solution.

      • Bee Judy

        Trump has mentioned the Constitution less than 10 times. We need an Article V convention.

      • JaxNole

        Tell me which of our freedoms are under attack.

        Is anyone stopping you from going to church? From praying? From worshipping God? From purchasing or reading a Bible? From going to seminary? From reading the Bible to your children at home? From having a Bible study?

        No, they’re telling you that you can’t reinstate Jim Crow (this time for gay people instead of black people), and that you can’t tell trans people which restroom to go to.

        I have found this is what religious freedom means to people in your particular crowd.

        We have freedom to worship and freedom to practice any faith we want and freedom to attend any church we want and pray to any God we want, without being arrested or incarcerated. That is religious freedom.

        • Lynn Mac

          For heaven’s sake … do a search on
          “home bible study illegal”
          and educate yourself.

          When a Christian business is FORCED, by the strong arm of the government, to participate in something they find abhorrent to their Christian values does not constitute religious freedom.

          • Bill610

            Yes, local governments can violate peoples’ rights with zoning laws. And courts can correct that. You’re not electing the President of San Juan Capistrano, CA or Verona, FL where these abuses occurred; you’re electing the President of the United States.

          • JaxNole

            And if someone is prevented from having a Bible study in their own home, the courts will slap them down with impunity (unless there are 50 cars coming to the Bible study… in which case they’re a church, not a Bible Study, and I’d agree the holders of the Bible Study need to move it to a more appropriately-zoned venue so as to not block the road and quality of life of their neighbors).

          • JaxNole

            Replying to your edit:

            I’m wondering if your Bible is different from mine, because mine doesn’t prevent me from selling food or flowers to sinners. In fact, Jesus partied and drank with sinners to the point he was called a drunk (“winebibber”). I’m sure he bought a few rounds of wine for some reprobates in his time on Earth.

            I will nevertheless be patiently waiting for scriptural reference from your version of the Bible that condemns selling flowers and food to sinners.

            If the government isn’t compelling you to go against scripture (again, selling food or flowers to sinners is not against scripture), this is not a violation of religious freedom. If they forced you to marry a woman under penalty of law, now **that** would be a violation of religious freedom.

            As recently as 50 years ago, Jim Crow was preached from the pulpit. Black skin was considered a mark of the curse of Cain. Condemnation of interracial marriage literally condemned by the scripture “be ye not unequally yoked”.

            So it’s not really reasonable to ask American society to let you use Scripture to discriminate against people. We as Christians basically gave up that ability when we used Scripture to justify slavery, and then Jim Crow.

            In short: you and those with your views have an extremely warped view of religious freedom.

            Gay weddings don’t threaten us. God will not judge me as a caterer if I sell food to gay people who are having a gay wedding. I challenge you to show me a scripture saying He will.

      • Bill610

        it’s sad to see so many who claim the name “Christian” ruled by fear. Remember that guy who said “Do not be afraid”? You’re supposed to follow him.

    • Cedric Fisher

      I must add in response to the ones who declare that God is in control of this election, but demand people vote for Trump, why? If God is in control, and He is going to appoint the next president, then relax and let Him do it. That faulty notion comes from Romans 13:1, which refers to Israel, a theocracy. It does not apply to a democracy. Democracy is not a Jewish, but a Greek concept that originated around 5 BC. Nominal and apostate Christians exercising the democratic process are responsible for this terrible mess. If Clinton wins, and we come under persecution, please consider that it would be better than allowing the apostasy to continue unabated. It will define true Christianity. Professing Christians that cannot stand up for truth now will certainly not stand up for it then. Persecution never destroyed the church, but only purified it.

  • June Kinoshita

    You can continue to believe all those who have borne false witness against Hillary Clinton, or you can open your mind to the possibility that Christians can be Democrats http://www.christiandemocratsofamerica.org/

    • Cathy Clark

      False witness? There are hundreds of pages of evidence against her. She should be indicted for treason, but because she has political clout she will not be.

  • papbm

    If you are successful in convincing enough Christians not to vote for Donald Trump, then Hillary Clinton will be our next President. She plans to open our borders, obliterate the Constitution, and make America part of a ‘one-world order’. She supports abortion up to just before a baby’s last toe has left its mother’s womb. That in itself should be cause for every Christian to run to the polls and vote for Donald Trump. Her heart is that evil and callous, and I believe if she has the power of the Presidency, she will sign an executive order legalizing forced abortion, especially on young Black women whom she loathes. Margaret Sangor, founder of Planned Parenthood is one of Hillary’s most admired women. Sangor’s purpose for PP was to eliminate the Black Race.

    We have two choices in this election…one is evil and has a long history of criminal behavior and complete disregard for human life. She has had more than 50 close advisers and acquaintances mysteriously die under un-explainable circumstances when they knew too much about her crimes.

    The other is a successful businessman with a great deal of experience…not a politician…who is sacrificing his freedom and a large amount of his personal wealth… plus his safety and that of his entire family…because he believes with the help of God and many others he can restore America to greatness once again.

    I am 80 years old; I am a Christian; I do believe God is in control of this election. If Hillary wins, then He has said ‘NO’ to the prayers of millions who have begged him to ‘hear our prayers, forgive our sins, and heal our land’. If Trump wins, then God has decided to give us another chance. This is not about me or Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton…it is about the survival of America. The generations who will suffer the most are our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren.

    Donald Trump is no longer the man he was eleven years ago, or 20 or 30, etc. In fact, back then he was a liberal Democrat, doing what liberal Democrats do…associating with the wicked, evil reprobates in Hollywood. Clearly he has chosen to change his ways, and I believe him. If he is lying and wins, he will have to answer to God…and we won’t be as bad off as we would be with Hillary as President. What other choice do you recommend?

    • AddisonDewitt

      What a sap.

    • truethevote

      Perhaps God has chosen Hillary. Then all this support of Trump will be unjust, won’t it? At least by your logic.

      • Cynthia Hardy Studer

        Perhaps He has, and we, the church will deserve the punishment.

      • Nan Phelan

        Ps 139

      • Lisa Zirkle

        The Lord is in control no matter what happens, and as it stands today in our country, Christians should shine like stars as we walk out with the Lord. If we will just do that, and not be reduced to turning on each other when it comes to politics or anything else, if we will do what Philippians 2 instructs, it will change the world. In fact, it is that kind of demonstration that has changed many for the better. Do I expect that demeanor from Donald Trump? I don’t know where Donald Trump is with the Lord, so I can’t say that I do. Do I expect that kind of demeanor from other Christians? Yes, I do. But, and this is the important part, it starts with me. For instance, I do not agree with Brittany in how she is seeing this election and how she has chosen to berate people who are supporting Trump. I don’t like that, but I don’t hate or even dislike Brittany. I simply disagree with her, and I keep my eye on the larger picture in regard to how I respond. The Lord has forgiven me of my sins, and there is not a day that goes by that I don’t realize how blessed I am since I am scum without Him. So it’s really hard for me to condemn someone else and especially for a disagreement on politics.

    • Cynthia Hardy Studer

      Thank you! This is exactly it! God has told us no. I have prayed and prayed for a godly man or woman to become our president, but God has said no. We have to have faith that He knows better than we do. We have to stop agonizing and wailing over our lost opportunities! If we as Christians want a Christian nation we must stop sitting in our comfy pews or chairs on Sunday morning and go out and EVANGELIZE our communities. We are to blame for the state of our nation when we get lazy and complacent and EXPECT people to come to us instead of we to them. We have allowed the morals of the world to overrun our nation and then we cry foul and demand every single person abide by our morals. We have NO RIGHT to demand this nation and it’s leaders be godly people. No right! We, who have sat on our rears and done nothing but complain! We who have abandoned our country so we can bring humanitarian aid to Africa or Hati but will not share the word of God with people in our own family and we wonder why our nation is such a mess!? Sitting on our moral high-horse will just get us more of what we say we do not want.

    • Nan Phelan

      Im with you sweet lady, I have prayed and prayed and Im getting the same message as you are. Im almost 70 and Ive walked many years with the Lord as my Master, I believe I’ve been guided by His Holy Spirit and have made alot of good and wise choices in my life. The first being to make Him Lord of my life. Trump is very very flawed as were so many of the folks that God chose to use in the Bible to accomplish His will. We tend to try to limit Him but He will not fit in anyones denominational box. My salvation is secure in Him and in His shed blood on the cross; I will vote for Trump though he was not my 1st choice. I will continue to pray for him and the influences of the good, wise, Christian men that surround him and know that God is the blessed controller of all things, esp. this election.

    • akitty77

      He made those comments about sexually assaulting women when he was 61 years old! Hardly a young boy! He is arrogant, self-absorbed, egotistical shallow-thinking unregenerate man; his many divorces should have told anyone with the slightest bit of common sense that he has no respect for honesty, integrity, covenant keeping, or women as a whole; his proudly boasting of seducing married women should have told the same people that he is utterly untrustworthy, period. Fearing Hillary is no excuse for voting for evil and being responsible for the damage he will cause. The Bible commands us not to fear anything.

    • JaxNole

      As an Arab American Christian who has seen the effect Trump’s words have had in the Arab American community, Trump is the one who strikes me as pure evil. He is the one who is stirring up hatred of my people.

    • athb

      Can you please show me your sources of the 50+ people that have been ‘murdered’ under Clinton?

    • Elizabeth Van Horn

      Your post is the most ignorant I’ve seen in ages. Other than your age (and supposed “Christian” self-claim) there’s nothing you’ve written that is reality based. You’d think in today’s world people could learn to actually find facts, but nope, people like you keep peddling delusional nonsense.

    • Bill610
  • Andrew Pickard

    As an outsider looking in, I can tell you that your fear of ruining your witness is correct. If ever I am being evangelized, my first question will be “Did you vote for Trump?” If the answer is yes, there could be no stonier soil.

  • MBML

    Evil is evil. If I have the conviction to vote for one or the other I choose the one who is not screaming for the right to kill unborn babies. I can not vote in that direction. I have hated the last 8 years and no matter how much I try to participate or not participate in this election. I hate.

    • JaxNole

      How about the one screaming to condemn Syrian refugees to deaths. You know the cliche, Republicans care about all lives until they exit the womb… Apparently proving itself true again.

  • Nina Gilliam

    Thank you so much for putting into words what I have been thinking and feeling. I was starting to wonder if I was the only one. Bless you.

  • Dan Nordholm

    This column is so right on.

    Jude was right about the apostasy of the last days. I always thought he was talking about what we term “mainline Protestantism”. But to hear people in the evangelical community blaspheme God and His word in order to defend Trump is appalling.

    The Church in America is dying and it isn’t Hillary and her ilk causing it. Nominal Christians, many of them in the pulpits of America are destroying their witness, and by association making it hRder for the rest of us to bring others to Christ.

    No wonder Jude wrote this dire warning:

    “For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
    ‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

    • Patricia

      Hillary and her ilk ARE the cause of it. Political correctness is a direct cause of it.

      • JaxNole

        Explain further how “thinking before you speak” and “addressing your fellow human beings with respect” and “avoiding overly inflammatory language” is leading to the apostasy of the last days.

  • no tea for me

    Thank you. As an abuse survivor, a woman and a child of Christ I thank you.

  • Starlight109

    Neither Clinton nor Trump are any God’s gift. They are candidates for SECULAR President. No President, ever, has been othersise. Pary in Church, fight in the streets.

  • caskinner

    I feel the same way. Yesterday we visited a church we attended years ago. The pastor was gone to oversee his grandmother’s funeral. The youth pastor preached and made me very angry. He said anyone that criticized our president should ask for forgiveness. He also said God chooses our leaders. Basically I felt because I could not vote for either immoral candidate I had the problem. If I would have been by myself I would have walked out.

    • Cathy Clark

      The good news is there are several other choices. You don’t have to vote for either Trump or Clinton. Your chosen candidate may not have a chance of winning, but at least you’ll be voting your conscience.

      • caskinner

        That is my plan. If everyone rejected the rejects and vote for an trustworty moral person we could take this election back.

  • Tony Atkins

    I am a Baptist Pastor & have been since 1982. I have seen what I THOUGHT was the worse over the years but nothing compares to this disaster for America. I have been very vocal up until now against Trump AND Killary. I contend that we cannot continue to elect people to run this once great Country that we KNOW are wicked & Evil to the core and then expect good things out of them or God to somehow ‘bless ‘ us in our iniquity. Evil is Evil…..period. I will not again fall for that stupid Party trap of voting for the lesser of 2 evils….EVIL IS EVIL….period. They told us that with McCain, then Romney that if we don’t vote for them Obama will get in…..guess what ? I have been crucified by my fellow believers & friends for not going with the Trumpet Mouth Train, so be it, Evil, is evil….period

    • R.t. Cloud

      I’m with you ,Tony.

    • allamer

      So Pastor, with all of the evil, are you going to try to save America and vote for Trump? Or is our country only a worldly matter which does not concern you?

      • Dorothy Bukowski

        How is voting for Trump going to “save America”? Think about what you are saying. I presume you are a Christian. Can a man, much less a man like Trump save America? I think not. Only Jesus saves. So before you ask me if we are voting for a pastor in chief, let me just say, no we are not. I’m simply saying that neither Trump nor any other man is going to ‘save America’.

        • Patricia

          I agree with you that “only Jesus” saves. My concern is not for the saving of souls but rather for the saving of freedoms that will surely be lost should Hillary Clinton be elected to the highest office in this land. Clinton brings with her the Muslim horde that wishes to utterly destroy all other belief systems, especially Christianity. All non-believers in the Prophet Mohammad will cease to exist as they are slowly but surely doing in the European nations that have been flooded with “refugees” who are nothing less than enemy combatants. Islam is a COUNTRY not a religion. It is a nation without borders with a set of laws that will destroy every country and all other belief systems in the world unless we are willing to fight back. Being “politically correct” Christian as this time is unacceptable. For this reason, Christians should be flocking to Trump and ignoring all other candidates. We have a shot at turning this around. ONE SHOT, that’s all. It is do or die time and I refuse to be the Christian that sits back and says God will take care of it. God, helps those who help themselves and are the defenders of good. Being a defender does not mean sitting on my backside worrying about when God is going to come save me. He has given me, and you, the skills to save ourselves. It’s time we used them!

          • Lynn Mac

            The USA has already being/been flooded with the moslem hordes. They are ensconced in our government and they continue to make demands on a daily basis.

            For anyone to say “Christians should be flocking to Trump” has no concept of what Christianity represents or what God’s thoughts on this matter are. God would never promote, condone or accept evil…period.

            To think that Trump is our “ONE SHOT” at turning this around shows a naivete we cannot afford to engage in at this time in history. Do you have any idea how much business he does in the moslem world? Do you honestly believe he would risk losing money on his business deals there for the sake of the USA?

          • allamer

            Lynn Mac, those moslems have been imported and ensconced in our government….by Obama and his Progressive agenda. Hillary supports that. Trump doesn’t.

          • Bill610

            It’s a demonstration of your lack of faith that you think God can’t protect you from Muslims without Donald Trump. That’s a pretty pathetic God. Wouldn’t you rather listen to the God that says, “do not be afraid”? Because right now fear is ruling your life, and Donald Trump is gleefully stoking that fear.

          • allamer

            Bill, we citizens have a responsibility to maintain our Constitution which protects our rights and way of life. We cannot close our eyes and ears to that. You cannot put OUR responsibilities off on God.

          • Bill610

            In my view, neither of our major party candidates was either a Savior of our Nation or an existential threat to it, despite how both parties tried to frame this election. It’s always “the most important election of your lifetime,” alamer. It’s always “too important to waste your vote on any candidate not approved by the Incumbent Party, because electing the other candidate that the Incumbent Party has approved is too horrible to contemplate.” Both of these candidates would have gleefully shredded the Constitution in order to advance their own personal political fortunes: look at Trump’s statements on killing the families of terrorists, on flag burning, on limiting free speech both on the internet and as relating to negative press regarding him and his family…and on and on. I don’t think I need to tell you the ways in which Clinton would ignore the Constitution.

            As to the overall survival of our nation, if you profess to be a Christian, then yes, I think you need to leave that up to God, despite the melodramatic rhetoric of the Republicans and Democrats. To paraphrase a writer for Reason magazine, neither candidate had the requisite talent or charisma to destroy our nation in four years.

            My point is: don’t vote out of fear. It teaches the major parties to scare you into voting for lousy candidates…on either side of the left-right divide.

      • Nearly Over

        You didn’t have the guts to read the article, did you?

    • Mr. Common Sense

      I always enjoy self proclaimed Pastors – who reference Hilary as Killary – I guess your religion only calls on forgiveness when convenient. So Mr. Baptist Pastor, Do all men fall short of the glory of god or just SOME??

      • Kori Claypool

        you need to change your name because you have no common sense. Hillary Clinton is evil and should be in prison. Just because everyone is a sinner doesnt mean we have to accept or like those who are evil. would you say the same thing about Hitler?

        • Mr. Common Sense

          In prison for what? She has been cleared of any wrongdoing by republican lead hearings for both the email and benghazi. Instead of being told what to think, try doing some actual research…

          • bobthebeefman

            Mr. Full of Crap, you lie.
            She has not been “cleared of anything”. A compromised and corrupted FBI director found plenty of “wrongdoing”. And then failed to recommend prosecution. Of course, what diference would that make, since a thoroughly corrupt DOJ would never prosecute her. And if they did, they’d have to prosecute Obama, who lied about not knowing of her illegal server and email accounts, since he used a pseudonym to correspond with her by email over an unsecured server.

          • Jane Doe

            Clinton hasn’t been cleared, but she also hasn’t been indicted. Let’s be clear…

          • Marcia Wright Crocker

            Of course not. Comey is on the board of one of her banks! Clinton covers all corners

          • RaymondsDad

            If you think she is innocent, ask yourself this question, if you did the exact same things she did, and the FBI found out about it, do you believe, yes or no, they would have led you away in handcuffs? Be honest in answering that question.

          • Cynthia Hardy Studer

            Check the newly released wikileaks documents. Her campaign was in contact with the F. B. I. During this whole time and the media was coordinating with her and giving her preference and advice. Corruption. She was never properly investigated because the white house was deeply involved and knew about her private server. She was supposedly cleared but only by her own friends in D. C.

          • Marcia Wright Crocker

            Sounds like you need the research! Even Comey said if she was anyone else she would be in jail! You sir need the research

        • Jane Doe

          Sounds like a very legitimate question…

      • Marcia Wright Crocker

        Who would you vote for Stalin or Hitler! Now make your choice because this is it!

      • Tony Atkins

        And I too love these people who give self righteous judgment as well ! You see sir, IF you knew anything about the Bible OTHER than the little bits and parts that you hear others parrot you would know that it is the Christian responsibility to make judgment as to the purpose & intent of their heart. You know, say one thing, do another type thing, I am sure you are familiar. In John 15 the vine chapter of the Bible as many reference it, tells us that we will KNOW them by their fruits, ( Make judgment calls according to what they DO, SAY and PRODUCE….simple). So, what have I seen her produce ? A LONG death list to the Clinton legacy recently adding to the body count was her denial of help 603 documented times requesting help only to be denied by KILLARY. 4 Americans died because of her debacle, denial and self importance. Her emails caused an Iranian scientist that was funneling info on the Nuclear deal after mentioning his name & what he was doing for them was put to death after one of her ” un-secured” emails was intercepted by the Iranian government…..she cause his death. This list could go on & on but even one point makes my case sir. Oh, and by the way, God’s forgiveness is extended to all who ASK for it, so far sir, I have not heard nor seen Hillary OR Trump asking forgiveness, showing ANY remorse or repentance for ANYTHING they both have been CAUGHT doing ? You ? I didn’t think so. One other thing, It always amazes me over the years at the people who LOVE to pounce on Christians, their values & moral beliefs, demonize them so they can live their liberal lives without people talking to them about God so they can feel good about the wickedness they do. They LOVE to raise their families in a CHRISTIAN environment and morals & values though. But, I am sure this is not you. good day sir, May you find the peace of God that passeth all understanding. Romans 10:8-9

        • Lynn Mac

          Excellent and well stated post! Thank you so much.

        • David R. Mueller

          *Pastor*, look up your citations before you cite. It’s not in John 15. What you quote is from Matthew 7, the Sermon on the Mount (and it follows, ironically, the part that non-Christians just *love* to quote: Just not, that you be not judged). And more importantly, neither John 15 nor Matthew 5-7 has to do with judging something of a purely this-worldly nature like voting for a president. An intelligent atheist can see that Hillary would be a very bad idea for our country, and that Trump is, at best, a serious gamble. (Which according to a fair portion of American churchly-types, is a sin, also!)
          IN SHORT: Do NOT decide whom to vote for based on how “Christian” they are or aren’t. I may agree with your choice, but it will not be because Hillary really is the devil’s spawn, or Donald is “God’s chosen instrument”. Balaam’s ass was God’s chosen instrument, as was Balaam himself, and I wouldn’t vote for either of them.

          • Tony Atkins

            Sorry but that is what you call ” skim” reading friend. You are obviously horribly misinformed or willfully ignorant to say this , John 15 IS the FRUIT chapter where Jesus said ” You shall KNOW them by their FRUITS”. That means make a JUDGMENT call on evil; or good. I have seen BOTH of them & their ‘fruit’ and make that call. Before you try to attack me get your facts straight sir. I am not saying WHO is a Christian or NOT, that is always between you & God alone BUT I can and WILL judge the fruit of others in order to make the RIGHT decision. However a good analogy between Balaam’s ass and Trump.

          • David R. Mueller

            No. Open your Bible for a change. *Nowhere* in John 15 does Jesus say, “You shall know them by their fruits.” He certainly does talk about fruits and vines in John 15, to be sure. But the precise quote you presented is Matthew 7:20. And you are clearly not taking context into account. Jesus says in Matthew 7:15: “Beware of false prophets….” That is, He is talking not *primarily* about actions, but about doctrine/teaching. (Morality is *not* excluded here, to be sure.)
            In John 15, Jesus is *not* talking about judging someone else’s “fruits”, rather He is working back the other direction: “Remain in Me, and I in you….without Me you can do nothing.” Understand the full point of what is being said in these texts, using the whole context. You are “proof-texting” in the worst way, and you haven’t even looked up your own reference to make sure you got the quote right.

            To all others who might see this thread–Seriously! Look up Matthew 7, and John 15!

          • Carol Null Null

            You have correctly discerned the WORD of God…well done!

          • Carol Null Null

            You are totally in error ! John 15: I am the True Vine and My Father the gardener, He cuts off every branch that doesn’t produce fruit, and He prunes every the branches that do bear fruit, so that they will be more fruitful. Remain in Me and I will remain in you, apart from Me you can not bear fruit. My disciples produce much fruit , this brings glory to my Father.

            Matthew 7: Jesus warns them to beware of false prophets,, you will know them by their fruit.

            You have not discerned God’s WORD correctly. Further more, no one was attacking you, they were just trying to point out your error. If we are to share God’s truth, we must share it accurately.

    • Frances Parker

      And God will bless those of us who are not blinded to lies and evil.

      • David R. Mueller

        Yes. He may bless you with persecution and the cross. That’s usually how His blessings come.

    • Kori Claypool

      i totally agree with you.

    • Jon L. Estes

      Tony – I agree with you completely. I was reminded recently that if God came down and with one swoop, removed all the evil in this world, I would be gone also. God has not and His Word does not teach that He plans on such a thing.

      I wonder if God is giving the US what they deserve and are asking for. I asked my wife this morning… If God gave us the President we deserved which one would we end up with? She quickly responded – we would get both.

      Each person will stand accountable for their own sins, as will the church for theirs. Are we in this mess as a result of the Spiritual posture (or lack of) of the church? Not the institution, the body ofChrist.

      Again, thanks for your comment.

    • JaxNole

      Christianity is not synonymous with the Republican party. I think this is the root of most of the anguish of the evangelical community. When their religion… And by religion, I mean the Republican Party… fails them, they are lost and they think All Is Lost. They’re quoting apocalyptic prophecies over the fact that Hillary Clinton might be the president. It’s ridiculous.

      • David R. Mueller

        You’re on the right track. Evangelical Christians have tended to vote for Republicans because the Republican platform coincides more fully than the Democratic platform with what Christians see as biblical morality. But the Moral Majority made a *BIG* mistake in lining it up *too* closely. A big *theological* mistake.

        • JaxNole

          Agreed. The point I keep making is that the Republican and Democratic platforms both have some Christian values embedded within.

          A choice between Dems and Repubs boils down to choosing between donkey-compatible Christian values and elephant-compatible Christian values.

          Neither party platform is “Christian”. Never has been, likely never will be.

          • David R. Mueller

            The Democrats’ current approach to “compassion”, while perhaps it might have a laudable motivation behind it, is contrary to sound reason, and, in many instances, the policies they espouse with the greatest vehemence are utterly incompatible with biblical morality. The Republicans have tended to hold “Christian” support because their platform really has been *more* parallel to biblical morality, but a lot of American “Evanglical Christianity” has nearly sold out–It seems they are seeking to build through political means “God’s Kingdom on earth”. That is not biblical, nor is it wise.

          • JaxNole

            I respectfully yet fervently disagree with the assertion that the GOP has ever been more in-line with actual biblical Christian values. The following passage is one of the main reasons. The command given by Christ here and repeated to every Christian child multiple times is not conditional and the Republican Party (31 GOP governors, 15 of 16 GOP primary candidates) have proudly bucked it this election season with 76% of white evangelicals still voting for Trump (remember: Samaritans did not trust Israelis, and certainly would have seen them as a threat to their values):
            ————————————————–
            He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.'”

            “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

            But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

            In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

            “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

            The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

            Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.” -Luke 10:27-37

            “He who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.” -1 John 4:20

          • David R. Mueller

            Understood! But you are believing a caricature of the GOP. Capitalism–properly restrained by intelligent justice–can provide a very merciful atmosphere for individuals (and individuals working together, combining resources) to do great works of mercy. *Many* Republicans have no concept of mercy. But the Democratic party is *by no means* any more “merciful” than the GOP. To wit: How much true mercy is being demonstrated when you give a poor person *someone else’s* money? There is *nothing* in the Bible that says that the *government* is responsible for redistributing wealth. It is *us*. We can choose to do so through tax dollars, but we can respectfully disagree as to whether that is the best way to do it. On the contrary: Paul writes to the THessalonians that they should each take responsibility for themselves–to work to provide for themselves–“If a man shall not work, neither shall he eat.” This by no means excuses us from caring for the poor ourselves. But it does indicate that someone who makes no effort to provide for themselves when they *can* is, in effect, stealing from those around him who support him anyway.
            Exhibit B: Abortion. That is neither truly merciful to the unborn child, nor to the mother.
            As to the Parable of the Good Samaritan, look a little deeper. Yes, it certainly does give us the Law of God that says “Love is the fulfillment of the Law”–and *that* love is “self-donating” for the true benefit of the neighbor. But the Parable goes significantly deeper than that. It’s about Jesus, Himself. It’s about how He, the despised outsider, rescues us, has mercy on us, and pays for it all Himself.

            But overall, I think you and I are in agreement that neither party is “Christian”.

    • Bobby O’Dell

      “If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your
      children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to
      those who ask him!” – Jesus.

  • DoubleDogDiogenes

    It’s a hard walk, Brittany. Erasmus once said that the church requires reform in head and members. We are at that point once again. I am old now and I’ve watched the faith I love change into a monster around me for decades. It seems nothing can stop it. But our Christ is still above us. I will not give up hope.

    • allamer

      DoubleDog, whatever is happening in your church….is separate from our elections. If we want to save America, it is OUR responsibility to elect those who CARE about America.

      • truethevote

        NO. Culture and religion go hand in hand. The failure of the churches and true Christians to influence culture led directly to this. Look around the world . . . Lack of Christianity almost guarantees horrible governments. America was special BECAUSE of God’s blessing, not in spite of it, despite what progressives claim.

        • Mr. Common Sense

          Freedom of religion, as a fundamental, is the root of the cause why the Pilgrims left England. Where does it say in the New Testament that it was okay to murder, rape and steal land from the Native American Indian? Always amazing as to how you want all the credit and none of the blame…

  • Sue Sanderson

    Brittany, you’ve stated beautifully every angle of this awful spectacle. Indeed this is a test to determine the true character of those who claim to be in the church. I too am terribly shocked and saddened to discover many individuals in my life who are failing this test!

  • AddisonDewitt

    I’ve gone silent because I no longer to choose to cast pearl before swine. Most on my FB page support Trump and several are so called devout born again Christians. I’ve had to remove a few from my feed because of the ongoing pro support articles they post about him.Then you have the others who say ” he asked to be forgiven abd if you are a Christian you have to forgive him or you are a hypocrite”….really ? These people will not be persuaded by anything I say or anyone Scripture I post or any words I post about God’s wisdom on chosing a decent man as a leader. They have made an idol out of this nation and put it before obedience to God’s Word…and God may just let their idol fall via rotten leaders. I will not cast pearl before swine any longer…

    • Bee Judy

      There is no forgiveness without a promise to repent and change one’s ways. Forgiveness is one thing but encouraging the non repentant is an entirely different thing called condoning evil. We must first understand and admit our littleness before Almighty God not believe we are some “yuuuge” sensation.

    • allamer

      Addison, does God judge sinners….or does Addison? Our “leaders” have betrayed our citizens for a long time. They have served big special-interest donors….instead of We the People. The only chance of disrupting the corruption is with an outsider like Trump.

      • http://sincronos.net/ CWS

        Trump IS the corruption of which you speak. He and Hillary occupy exactly the same moral footing. If you look to him for salvation, you have been deceived.

        • allamer

          Salvation is not from politicians. But saving America is the voters’ responsibility.

      • Mary Beth House ★ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

        Trump is no outsider. He’s bragged about the politicians he’s bought off for crying out loud. You’ve mistaken “unelected” for “outsider” and that could not be further from the truth.

        • carrot-top

          Where did he brag about politicians he’s bought off? I’d like to see this

          • Frances Parker

            Look at his primaries with more reputable Gop leaders. Easy to find

          • Mary Beth House ★ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

            I first heard about it in an ad earlier this year (it included footage of Trump admitting to it during a debate) but here’s an article going into some detail: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/09/donald-trump-pam-bondi-greg-abbott

          • JaxNole

            He bragged about it at the Republican debates. Dozens of articles have been written about it, they all include quotes about how he’d given to dozens of them and how whenever he wants to talk to any of them they’d always take his call even 2-3 years later, just Google “Trump donated politicians Republican debate”.

          • Lynn Mac

            Ask and you shall receive. Read it and weep.

            “I was a businessman, I give to everybody. When they call, I give.
            You know what? When I need something from them, two years later, three years later, I call them, and they are there for me.
            When you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do.
            You better believe it.”

            “I’ve got to give to them, because when I want something, I get it. When I call, they kiss my ass.”

            Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430266/donald-trump-bribery-politicians-hillary-clinton-robert-menendez-solomon-melgen

      • JaxNole

        No no, we need an outsider very much UNLIKE Trump.

  • http://www.carlarolfe.com/ Carla Rolfe

    You’re most certainly not alone in your thoughts and feelings on this. Along with Dr. Mohler I’d like to add Dr. James White. You might like to read what he has to say about this: https://www.facebook.com/prosapologian/posts/1290262524331930

  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Kingdom Ambassador

    How dumb can we get? Every four years we keep making the same mistake, only the names change.

    Another election, another opportunity to figure out that we have been had and that by our own making. If this election doesn’t wake you up to this fact, count yourself among the walking dead.

    Hillary and Donald: the inevitable consequence of the constitutional framers banning Christian tests in Article 6, thereby eliminating mandatory biblical qualifications for civil leaders. America has been doomed to nothing but nincompoops, scoundrels, and outright criminals ever since. Sound familiar?

    The 18th-century founders usurped Yahweh’s exclusive election authority (Deuteronomy 17:15), thereby turning it over to We the People, the majority of whom, according to Matthew 7:13-14, are in the broad way leading to destruction. Talk about a D U M B idea! Just where do you suppose that’s going to get us? Perhaps the precipice of moral depravity and destruction!?!

    No wonder following every election, America only becomes more ungodly, less Christian, and further enslaved regardless whether a donkey or an elephant is elected.

    For more, see blog article “Salvation by Election” at http://www.constitutionmythbusters.org/salvation-by-election/.

    Then find out how much you REALLY know about the Constitution as compared to the Bible. Take our 10-question Constitution Survey at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ConstitutionSurvey.html and receive a complimentary copy of a book that EXAMINES the Constitution by the Bible.

    • Janice Outten

      I remember JFK.

    • allamer

      Well, Ambassador, when the Muslims take over, they will abolish our Constitution and laws and Islam will be in the schools and everywhere. And everyone will be part of the faithful….of Islam.